{"id":63729,"date":"2024-04-05T17:42:15","date_gmt":"2024-04-05T17:42:15","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/jurn.link\/tentaclii\/?p=63729"},"modified":"2024-06-16T19:37:40","modified_gmt":"2024-06-16T19:37:40","slug":"tolkien-and-lovecraft-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/jurn.link\/tentaclii\/index.php\/2024\/04\/05\/tolkien-and-lovecraft-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Tolkien and Lovecraft"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Reading through the back-issues of the Tolkien Society members-journal <em>Amon Hen<\/em>, in #272 I came across a report of a conference in Italy titled &#8220;Tolkien and the literature of the Fourth Age&#8221;, which took place just before Christmas 2017. Some big names were there, including Tom Shippey and Thomas Honegger. The latter presented &#8220;Tolkien and Lovecraft&#8221;, and the report summarised some of the talk&#8217;s main points&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both worked within frameworks of myth and to an extent dream;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both were interested in changes in language over large time-scales;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both were interested in &#8220;worlds in decay&#8221; which nevertheless contain decaying &#8220;monuments of fallen grandeur&#8221;;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both loved the mystery of ancient things, ancient landscapes; <\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Tolkien&#8217;s late &#8220;Smith of Wootton Major&#8221; tale as comparable to Lovecraft &#8220;The Silver Key&#8221; and parts of &#8220;Dream-Quest&#8221;;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both wrote foundational &#8220;theoretical texts&#8221; which shaped the work of those who came after them (&#8220;On Fairy Stories&#8221;, and &#8220;Supernatural Literature&#8221;). <\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both inspired many imitators, continuators, borrowers, and also a wealth of illustrators;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; August Derleth as being in a somewhat similar situation as Christopher Tolkien, as &#8216;posthumous editor&#8217; and &#8216;re-shaper&#8217;.<\/p>\n<hr>\n<p>To which I would add&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both gave &#8216;creative house-room&#8217; to notions of a sort of personal racial memory, and past lives;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both were interested in time-travel, as the idea then stood;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both had a very rich store of knowledge about the classical world \/ the wild North;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both wrote tales set within the framing of &#8216;recovered but partial&#8217; scholarly knowledge (often by amateurs);<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both were anti-Freud and his acolytes, and more generally anti-modernist;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both went &#8216;over the heads&#8217; of the literary establishment, and appealed direct to the masses;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both used a literary technique and style deemed &#8216;outmoded&#8217; for the era;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; the depiction of evil was a key focus for both authors;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both were aware of the power of &#8216;un-named creatures&#8217; to evoke fear (though Tolkien uses these with a <em>very<\/em> light touch); <\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both had &#8216;broadcast telepathy&#8217; by the evil one, e.g. in Tolkien the evil Sauron mentally sends out his Cthulhu-like \u2018call\u2019 to all evil things;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both greatly valued poetry and the oral tradition;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both were deeply English in outlook and heritage, although Lovecraft was &#8216;at one remove&#8217; in New England; <\/p>\n<p>&#8211; they both deeply valued the physical fabric\/landscape and traditions and people of their &#8216;local place&#8217;, for Lovecraft New England and 18th-century England, and for Tolkien mediaeval &#8216;old England&#8217; and its later survivals.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both were keen genealogists, though Tolkien&#8217;s family-trees were fictional. <\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both were keen walkers, in different ways (&#8216;dawdling vs. darting&#8217; might sum it up), though both had a keen eye for traces of the past of a place; <\/p>\n<p>&#8211; neither was afraid to offer readers long loving descriptions of a landscape in its season, adding strong doses of &#8216;travel writing&#8217; to their fiction;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both valued the imagery of the sea and the coast, in a romantic way;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both were keen to correctly depict astronomical observations in their fiction;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both were fatherless and were raised by kindly men who nurtured their talents;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both were very open to collaborating with and mentoring \/ working equally with intelligent women;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both greatly valued the simple Epicurean consolations of life in their personal everyday, though each in their different ways;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both had a robust and deep-rooted conservative outlook, and could draw (if needed) on robust intellectual support for that outlook; <\/p>\n<p>&#8211; neither man expected his tales would make him world-famous for centuries to come, with not only wide public readership but also many attentive scholars and historians. <\/p>\n<p>&#8211; many trenchant early critics claimed to have read their writing(s), but quite evidently had not done so (or, at best, as Tom Shippey says&#8230; &#8220;had not read them with any attention&#8221;). At the same time, both were often reviled as arch conservatives.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; the work of both men inspired a wealth of popular music after their deaths, first in various forms of heavy-metal music and now more widely.<\/p>\n<hr>\n<p>&#8216;Were the 2017 proceedings published?&#8217; I wondered. I tracked them down to the first issue of the Italian journal <em><a href=\"https:\/\/etereaedizioni.com\/product\/i-quaderni-di-arda-1\/\">I Quaderni di Arda<\/a><\/em> (2020). Sadly the papers given in English are there translated, and the Lovecraft talk becomes &#8220;Re-incantare un mondo dis-incantato: Tolkien e Lovecraft (1890-1937)&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>I see the English PDF used to be on the journal&#8217;s iquadernidiarda.it website, but that domain and site have now lapsed. Then I found that the English paper had since been deposited as &#8220;Re-enchanting a Dis-enchanted World: Tolkien (1892-1973) and Lovecraft (1890-1937)&#8221;. For non Academia.edu members, this can be had by searching for &#8220;Re-enchanting a Dis-enchanted World&#8221; on Google Scholar. Scholar has an arrangement with Academia.edu for many (but not all) papers re: easy no-membership downloads.<\/p>\n<p>Were there any points in the PDF to add to the list given by the conference report? Just a few&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both often suggested an &#8220;indissoluble connection between language and identity&#8221;;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; both &#8220;subscribe to the general principle of phonaesthetics&#8221;, for example with evil speech sounding ugly and jarring;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; neither was afraid to use dialect on the page.<\/p>\n<p>Honegger published on Lovecraft in English a little later, in the journal <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wvttrier.de\/en\/p\/fastitocalon-9-1-and-2-fantastic-languages-the-language-of-the-fantastic\"><em>Fastitocalon<\/em> #9, 1 &#038; 2: &#8216;Fantastic Languages \/ The Language of the Fantastic<\/a> (2020). This had his essay &#8220;Language, Historical Depth, and the Fantastic in the Work of H.P. Lovecraft&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>Both journal volumes are still available, in paper, for now.<\/p>\n<p>And finally, I would be remiss if I didn&#8217;t also note the new book in Italian, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/jurn.link\/tentaclii\/index.php\/2023\/12\/03\/new-book-tolkien-e-lovecraft\/\">Tolkien e Lovecraft<\/a><\/em> (2023). This is now at least on Amazon.co.uk and can be added to a personal List, but cannot be shipped to the UK. I can&#8217;t read Italian and haven&#8217;t seen it, nor any review for it.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Reading through the back-issues of the Tolkien Society members-journal Amon Hen, in #272 I came across a report of a &hellip;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/jurn.link\/tentaclii\/index.php\/2024\/04\/05\/tolkien-and-lovecraft-2\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[24],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-63729","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-scholarly-works"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/jurn.link\/tentaclii\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/63729","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/jurn.link\/tentaclii\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/jurn.link\/tentaclii\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jurn.link\/tentaclii\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jurn.link\/tentaclii\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=63729"}],"version-history":[{"count":26,"href":"https:\/\/jurn.link\/tentaclii\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/63729\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":64484,"href":"https:\/\/jurn.link\/tentaclii\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/63729\/revisions\/64484"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/jurn.link\/tentaclii\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=63729"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jurn.link\/tentaclii\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=63729"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jurn.link\/tentaclii\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=63729"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}